Rusty Comment
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Haven’t posted in quite a while. Apologies.
Everyone is failing to see the problem. The problem isn’t the airlines, it’s not the parking. It’s not the airport. It’s not the lack of interest, etc etc etc….its Massport. It’s Massport & their absolutely outrageous fees/commissions. All these airlines are going to every airport in New England EXCEPT Worcester….they also are not stepping into Logan either…Not because they don’t want to tap into the Massachusetts market. It’s because they don’t want to deal with Massport. Massport is a Mafia. Massport is a Mob. They will run you ragged on fees. The ONLY reason the 3 we have at ORH are there is because Massport told them they have to be there or they would flatout not approve any future thing they wanted at Logan. Blackmail plain & simple. And the only reason all these airlines are at Logan to begin with is well…it’s Boston. They’d be idiots not to. So they begrudgingly put up with Massport. The airlines hate Massport. Unilaterally. There’s a reason Southwest skipped Logan in the early 00’s for MHT & PVD. Lot of back-door politics. Massport is the mob. Airlines don’t like the mob.
Also, side note; Allegiant is shadow banned from ever operating flights commercially to ORH or Logan ever again. Don’t ever expect them at either ever except for a charter flight. When they pulled out of ORH a decade ago they ran afoul of Massport & you’ll never see them again ever.
I can tell you right now with 100% first hand knowledge on the subject that Southwest, Frontier, Breeze, Spirit, & Allegiant (that one being a pipe dream to begin with seeing as their perma-banned in essence) have all had serious interest in ORH and wanted to implement some sort of service dating back to 2019. The last 5 years, 5 seperate airlines have been serious about ORH. Southwest even came so far as to do site visits several times & did preliminary inspections on the fuel storage& equipment at ORH. Nothings come of any of them…why? Because everything goes though Massport & the Mob’s (Massport’s) terms & conditions where too much each & every time… Don’t expect me to post again soon unless it’s overly important.
-Rusty
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So Rusty pretty much confirmed that much of what I’ve speculated about why ORH isn’t successful is actually true. Even the quid pro quo arrangement with JetBlue, Delta, and American. Others mocked me for saying some of these things but it’s all there for everyone to see. Massport taking this airport over was a mistake and should have never happened if this is the outcome. Until and unless something changes, you won’t see me at ORH anytime soon. At this point, I hope that Jetblue, Delta, and American will cease service at ORH and leave Massport with a mess to clean up.
^Massport taking over the airport saved it from closure. It was absolutely not a mistake for them to buy it. Their deep pockets and resources have over the years implemented some much-needed improvements at ORH that the city would have never done. Even if at a very slow pace. It’s still better than nothing. If the city kept ORH it would be closed by now. Massport WILL NOT let the airport go under. They will do anything but let that happen. The airport could be dead as a doornail, but they will never let is close & be sold. You will never have to worry about ORH closing under their guidance. Just don’t expect the airport to boom like the others in the area. But you will continue to have the airport. The city of Worcester could mess up their own wet dream, let alone successfully run a commercial airport.
What is needed is better management in Massport. The airlines want to come to ORH. But each time they do, Massport says “sure come on in, but x,y,z is required & you have to do a,b,c,& d for us in return if you want to fly flights into here.” Thats what needs to stop. All the fees, taxes & extra terms that make service to ORH financially unviable for these Airlines.
Nothing will change at Massport. Its a dumping ground for politically connected hacks. There’s no accountability so why would they change anything? When I used to work in East Boston pretty much everyone I worked with had at least one “connected” family member that worked for Massport. They’re apparently too stupid to realize that ORH and Logan need to be managed differently and the flights we have are useless to 90% of the population. What good are all the “improvements” they’ve made at ORH if they’re just going to strong arm and blackmail airlines to start service here? Imagine what a thriving airport could do for Worcester’s economy. It’s the same old story in Massachusetts. Do the bare minimum and try to bleed anyone that wants to do business here dry and drown them with red tape. There’s a reason why businesses are packing up and leaving this state. The politicians can spin it all they want, but the fact is that Massachusetts ranks near the bottom in creating a favorable business climate.
Can’t wait for the next news report about how ORH is “soaring”……
The thing is though allegiant still has flights out of Boston. After reading that, I do believe what’s being said with massport being the pain because JetBlue added service to every airport they have service in New England in except Worcester and breeze has expanded to every northeast state but Massachusetts. Boston is outrageous in general with everything (name one good thing about the city when it comes to money), Worcester must have horrible fees, the first option to expand to MA would be Springfield/Westfield but they’re both too close to Bradley. I know it was mentioned before New Bedford is building a new airport terminal but I highly doubt it would be enough for the winter to get service there. Summer yes but winter? No
The big question would be in a world where massport wouldn’t operate the airport or would say “we’re done we’re giving it up,” who would it be that could operate it and make it successful? Obviously not the City of Worcester so who would be next?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t MASSPORT waiving some fees for two years to any airline that provides a new route out of Worcester? Is that still being offered? If so, I would think that would bring in some new service.
Wow, up to now, I thought my boy Rusty had his head screwed on straight. What happened? Did he drink the Former Fan koolaid? So, now he gets his comment elevated to a post whose administrator thrives on these types of comments to “promote” the airport, at the same time he gets “the former fan” all riled up.
His comment (now a post) has so many contradictions. If it’s true airlines aren’t stepping into Logan, how does he explain Allegiant (it’s they who vowed to never to fly out of Worcester again after being accused of being charlatans by the city, not Massport), Spirit, Frontier and Southwest? None wanted Worcester, but they sure were happy to accept the much more expensive cost terms to operate at BOS. Why? Simple. Because travelers are willing to pay more to fly out of BOS. Central Mass residents still have the Spag’s mentality. Speaking about Allegiant, if they had heartburn with Massport, why did they start flying out of Logan in 2020? Maybe the Worcester City and Business leadership should offer an olive branch and reach out to them asking for another chance after 18 years of exile, it’s a different City and airport today.
Lastly, in his follow up comment, he says – “The airlines want to come to ORH. But each time they do, Massport says “sure come on in, but x,y,z is required & you have to do a,b,c,& d for us in return if you want to fly flights into here.” Maybe he can be more specific, go on record and say exactly what x,y,z and a,b,c & d are. If he has inside knowledge, I’d love to see the details. Otherwise he’s blowing smoke up our rear ends with speculations. While he’s at it, since he has first hand knowledge on Massport’s “terms and conditions”, maybe he can share what those terms are to fly out of both airports, leases, landing fees, operating costs? I suspect we’d be real surprised of the fee difference between BOS and ORH. There’s no way an airport the size of ORH can apply the fees BOS applies.
I usually close with “in Rusty we trust”. I’m sorry to say, “in trust, we rust(y)”. Unless of course he comes back with facts to back his comments.
We have to take what we can get, I guess. I was dinning in the North end of Boston the other night, the place was jammed. Worcester is growing, but dead compared to Boston. We have the flights we have, the airport is open, not closed if the city ran it. The city officials could never run an airport, have you listen to the current city council. They can’t even fix the street down the road from the airport. Worcester is growing beacuse Boston is to expensive. The rent for a two bedroom in Jamaica Plain is 3500 a month. Sea port is 3500-7500 for a one bedroom. Car insurance is 4000 a year. Worcester looks cheap compared to Boston.
Wow, up to now, I thought my boy Rusty had his head screwed on straight. What happened? So, now he gets his comment elevated to a post whose administrator thrives on these types of comments to “promote” the airport, at the same time has “the former fan” all riled up.
His comment (now a post) has so many contradictions. If it’s true airlines aren’t stepping into Logan, how does he explain Allegiant (it’s they who vowed to never to fly out of Worcester again after being accused of being charlatans by the city, not Massport), Spirit, Frontier and Southwest? None wanted Worcester, but they sure were happy to accept the much more expensive cost terms to operate at BOS. Why? Simple. Because travelers are willing to pay more to fly out of BOS. Central Mass residents still have the Spag’s mentality. Speaking about Allegiant, if they had heartburn with Massport, why did they start flying out of Logan in 2020? Maybe the Worcester City and Business leadership should offer an olive branch and reach out to them asking for another chance after 18 years of exile, it’s a different City and airport today.
Lastly, in his follow up comment, he says – “The airlines want to come to ORH. But each time they do, Massport says “sure come on in, but x,y,z is required & you have to do a,b,c,& d for us in return if you want to fly flights into here.” Maybe he can be more specific, go on record and say exactly what x,y,z and a,b,c & d are. If he has inside knowledge, I’d love to see the details. Otherwise he’s blowing smoke up our rear ends with speculations. While he’s at it, since he has first hand knowledge on Massport’s “terms and conditions”, maybe he can share what those terms are to fly out of both airports, leases, landing fees, operating costs? I suspect we’d be real surprised of the fee difference between BOS and ORH. There’s no way an airport the size of ORH can apply the fees BOS applies.
I like Jetson’s comment about Worcester being cheap, that’s because of the Spag’s mentality, and locals not willing to pay for higher airfares to make ORH profitable for airlines. There’s not enough housing and developers won’t build, because people won’t pay appropriate rent for a decent ROI. As a result, WPI is buying 2 downtown hotels to meet student housing demand. A blow to the travel industry, DCU Center events, fewer people flying into ORH, etc.
I usually close with “in Rusty we trust”. I’m sorry to say, “in trust, we rust(y)”. Unless of course he comes back with facts to back his comments.